The NT epistle for the Second Sunday before Lent is Rev 4, the first half (with Rev 5) of John’s vision and audition (seeing and hearing) of worship ‘in heaven’ as he is ‘in the Spirit’.
This is a fascinating passage, in part because it is so dense with theological ideas, but also because this vision blends a dense range of allusions to the Old Testament, so that this is a biblical vision of God enthroned in his temple—but also integrates features of first century imperial cultic practice. John is, in effect, saying that the worship that is given to the emperor (and any other human figure) belongs only to God.
Come and join Ian and James as they explore these questions! I link below the video discussion, followed by commentary on Rev 4 that I have published previously, from Bible reading notes and from my commentary. You can buy the commentary here, or wherever you get your books.
The video on the gospel reading for this week of Luke 8.22–25, Jesus stilling the storm on the lake, can be found here.
You can read the written commentary about it here.
On Revelation 4, I wrote this for Scripture Union’s Encounter with God.
Worshipping our Creator
At this point in Revelation it feels that we are leaving earthly realities behind and going on an otherworldly journey. For modern readers, we are leaving the familiar and historical and entering a strange world of thrones, elders, beasts and angels. It is a world full of life, colour and noise, overwhelming our senses. Pause for a moment and imagine the sights, sounds and sensations of this worship scene. What can you hear? What do you see? What do you feel?
For John’s readers however, this is the blending of two familiar worlds. First, the world of the Old Testament. The trumpet that announced temple worship calls John (v 1). The same Spirit which lifted Ezekiel to see the one on the throne (Ezek 1:26-28) does the same for John too (v 2). Jewels from Genesis 2 (v 3) accompany the rainbow from Genesis 9, the story of the flood. The thunder and lightning of Mount Sinai draw him to the seven torches of Zechariah 4 (v 5) and the sea of glass from Solomon’s temple (v 6, cf 1 Kings 7:23). This is an encounter with the God who made the world, who longs to see its restoration, and who travelled the long journey of redemption with his people.
But this reality is intertwined with another – the world of the Roman Empire and the worship of its Emperor. Here city elders dress in white, bow down to their august ruler, casting their crowns and hailing him with choruses. But, says John, it is the creator God who deserves this honour, and not any human ruler (vs 9-11). If anyone makes a claim to be the source of peace and prosperity, they are usurping God’s rightful praise, setting themselves up against him. God is the source of all power and majesty, and so all praise rightly belongs to him.
And in my IVP commentary on Revelation I offered this theological reflection:
John here offers a dazzling vision of God which pushes the boundaries of human imagination in its metaphorical description. John’s own language reflects this; in contrast with what has come before, he now repeatedly reaches for ‘as’ and ‘was like’ and ‘had the appearance of.’ As elsewhere in Scripture, literal description of God is not possible; God is unknowable even though he has graciously revealed himself to us. Even John’s grammar appears to reflect this; the throne itself is described without using finite verbs, and all in the nominative case, but when John turns to the things around the throne, he moves into the accusative case. Even if some features of this heavenly scene can be described as objects that John can see and apprehend, the throne and the one seated there are not objects to be perceived and analysed.
Yet within this kaleidoscope of language, two threads are clearly woven into the visionary fabric. The first – the warp threads which give structure – is the Old Testament theology of God as the supreme creator and the source of all there is. We see this in the image of the rainbow and in the living creatures, as well as the acclamations of worship; Revelation stands in continuity with the scriptural understanding of God as creator and the repeated re-emergence of that theme in the life of his people and their encounters with God in the different stages of their pilgrimage. This transforms not only our understanding of God, but also our understanding of the world. It is neither an accident of self-generation to be trivialized, nor a resource to be exploited, but an expression of the creative love of God which continually points to it source. And if God is creator of the world, he is also the creator of his own people, and so they owe him not only glory and honour but also gratitude and allegiance.
The second thread – the weft, woven in out of the warp threads – is the imagery of imperial obeisance. Whatever honours and acclaim are given to those with human power – whether it is the wearing of white, the prostration, the casting of crowns, the cry of ‘worthy’ – they really belong to God, since the power that is being recognized is power that is God’s power which he shares. Jesus’ words to Pilate ‘You have no power except what has been given to you from above’ (John 19:11) are, refracted through this visionary lens, spoken to all human power. Power that demands allegiance over against or ahead of the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ is speaking a lie and based on deceit; if we are tempted to believe it, we need our eyes opened to the true source of all things. God alone is worthy of our unceasing praise, our unswerving loyalty and our profound gratitude.
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You said the 24 elders represent the people of God. But why 24? Why does John choose that specific number to represent a multitude?
You also mentioned a ‘door’ and said youd come back to that later but you didnt…
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THE 24 “The elders are crowned, the number twenty-four recalling the courses of the priests” JNDarby.
The open door is interesting, a glimse into heaven?
As well as the noted major prophets there is a lesser known prophet ;
Amplified Bible 1 KINGS 22:19
Micaiah said, “Therefore, hear the word of the LORD. I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host (army) of heaven standing by Him on His right hand and on His left”.
In being called to prophysy by the two kings of Israel and Judah
interesting event happen, and the legacies of the kings are recorded, which are worth noting given the religious declensions
of the time See 1 King 14:24 ,1 King 15:12, 1 King 22:46 etc.
AN Open Door
We “hear” Jesus speaking and what the Spirit says to churches
For some the door is not open “John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The first impression of “seeing” is one of true worship
This is what God is seeking to find John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
For the worship of the elders we need to go back to St. Peter
Thus for enlightening comments on true worship I recommend
bibletruthpublishers.com/the-christian-priesthood/girdle-of-truth-volume-8/la62110
AND
bibletruthpublishers.com/our-holy-and-royal-priesthood/walter-thomas-prideaux-wolston/simon-peter-his-life-and-letters/w-t-p-wolston/la61343