Do the Prayers of Love and Faith have a good rationale?

Andrew Goddard writes: What follows explores ten questions relating to the theological rationale that has been offered for the proposed Prayers of Love and Faith (PLF) in Annex H of GS 2328. It argues that a theological rationale needs to state and justify any theological changes from past teaching and show that there is an adequate theological basis for the proposed practical changes being proposed in PLF (§1). It concludes (§10) that it ultimately fails to achieve these goals.

Its central rationale is that of “pastoral provision in a time of uncertainty” which has been described as “a new insight into doctrine” and “a change in how doctrine and pastoral practice relate to one another” (§2, §3.1). Multiple different ways of describing the features of this “pastoral provision” (PP) and its relation to PLF are noted (§3.2-5) as is the intention for PP to also provide a theological rationale for the unpublished pastoral guidance and planned reassurance (§3.6). It is argued that PP’s complexity, acknowledged novelty, and the lack of time for it to be theologically stress-tested make it questionable that it is currently robust enough a concept, especially given it is being used to justify PLF which is indicative of a change in doctrine (§3.7).

The relationship of PP to doctrine is that doctrine remains unchanged although there is some confusion about what exactly is meant by this and in particular whether that means PP can only justify developments which are not indicative of any change in doctrine at all or whether the key test is that any change must not be “in any essential matter” of doctrine (§4.1-6). The rationale would appear to be arguing the former (§4.7) but in that case it cannot justify PLF (§4.8).

In commending PP, an inevitably brief and selective overview of recent CofE and wider Anglican documents is used to argue for a “trajectory” in relation to pastoral responses within received doctrine which PP is said to continue. This is a novel and in at least some respects highly debatable proposition. Even if accepted, it is not shown that PLF is the only or best or even a valid development of this trajectory, particularly in as much as it introduces previously prohibited liturgical innovations (§5). 

Within this trajectory particular attention is given to the relationship of PP to “pastoral accommodation” (PA) but the claim that PP is simply an extension of PA rather than a break from it (§6.1-3) is questioned. This is because PA is focussed on caring for all people including those whose lives do not conform to church teaching. PA is not about accommodating beliefs or behaviours or about managing moral or doctrinal disagreements and as PA bears witness to church doctrine it cannot be indicative of a departure from it (§6.4). The claims about PP and about PA are then examined in relation to three central elements in the rationale’s account: goods (§7), sin (§8) and uncertainty (§9).

In relation to PP’s affirmation of goods in same-sex relationships and its relating of these to the goods of marriage (§7.1-3) it is argued that more work needs to be done concerning the validity of detaching goods (e.g. faithfulness) from the estate of marriage and applying them in a somehow equivalent way to individual instances of non-marital relationships (§7.4-7). A seeming interchangeability of the language of “goods” and “virtue(s)” is also noted as problematic (§7.8).

In relation to sin, PP’s proper emphasis that all people and relationships are marred by sin (§8.1-2) and its admirable focus on grace (§8.4) needs to engage more with the critiques that sexual sin cannot be ignored so as to focus only on goods and that PLF lacks a positive vision of chastity or an account of repentance and obedience (§8.3-5). In addition, conservative critiques which are appealed to in order to explain why doctrine is not being changed and PP instead being offered as a rationale also apply to PP and to PLF but go unanswered (§8.3). PP therefore seemingly offers a mirror-image of the rationale’s critique of PA: it is so focussed on goods that it fails to recognise and properly acknowledge and address what the church teaches is sin (§8.6).

In relation to “uncertainty” there needs to be a clearer defence of appealing to this as the defining characteristic of our situation and a sharper definition of what is said to be uncertain (§9.1-3). The critiques that are offered of alternative ways forward in dealing with our “time of uncertainty”—“no change” and “forcing change”—are shown to apply also to PLF (§9.4) whose manner of introduction is not obviously marked by the “provisionality” and “humility” it claims for itself (§9.5), especially given the importance of liturgy in Anglicanism and the existence of processes to change liturgy (Canon B2) that address the challenge of a divided and uncertain church (§9.6).

It is therefore concluded that, despite its creativity and identification of some key areas requiring theological work, Annex H needs significantly more time, reflection and refinement. It currently appears too much like a theological justification subsequently developed for an approach reached on other non-theological grounds and continuing to evolve in its details detached from this stated theological rationale (§10.1-2). It does not offer any theological answer as to why doctrine is not changing and it does not adequately demonstrate that PLF’s liturgical changes do not in fact also indicate changes in doctrine (§10.3-4). These problems in turn raise concerns about how PP might be utilised in relation to guidance and reassurance and highlight questions as to why these proposals and their theological rationale are not being introduced together with the prayers (§10.5). Rather than proceeding with PLF on the basis of this rationale it would be better for the church’s unity and well-being to follow one or more of the following alternative paths: (a) pausing to review and improve the theological rationale and then proceeding in all three areas simultaneously on the basis of what may be agreed, (b) recognising that in relation to how we pray as a church canon B2 is our well-established way of acting in “a time of uncertainty”, (c) acknowledging that we have competing certainties and contradictory theological rationales for them and these need to be given some degree of distinct ecclesial identity while maintaining as high a degree of communion as possible with theological integrity between their respective adherents (§10.6).

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PLF’s theological rationale: A critical conversation

Annex H in GS 2328 offers a theological rationale for the Prayers of Love and Faith (PLF). Although it is claimed that it is “articulating the theological rationale that supported the approach taken following the February motion” (Introductory paper, para 5, p.1) it does not refer to the previously central legal and theological rationale in terms of a distinction between civil marriage and holy marriage (discussed here). It also appears only to have been shared with bishops in early October and its authorship and the nature, degree and timescale of its peer review remains unclear.

1. What is needed in any theological rationale?

1.1 In PLF the bishops commend the use of new public prayers including prayers of blessing for same-sex couples (which they have previously prohibited) and prayers for people who have entered a legal status the bishops have previously stated departs from church teaching (“Getting married to someone of the same sex would, however, clearly be at variance with the teaching of the Church of England”, 2014 Pastoral Statement, para 26).

1.2 Any theological rationale therefore needs to offer a justification for this development explaining why previous theological arguments are now being rejected or are being applied differently. 

1.3 It is therefore clear that something significant has changed in practice, the key questions are (1) what has changed theologically? (2) is that change justifiable?, and (3) is that change sufficient to provide an adequate theological basis for the new practice found in PLF?

2. What is the proposed theological rationale?

2.1 The central argument is that PLF represents what is called “pastoral provision” (PP) rather than a change in doctrine. Four times in answers to questions Synod is told PLF “do not represent a change in doctrine” but (without further explanation as to what exactly is meant by this or how it is theologically justified) that PLF does represent “a change in how doctrine and pastoral practice relate to one another” (Qs 10, 69, 74, 93). 

2.2 This pastoral response claims to be “deeply rooted in tradition and Scripture” (p.90, the pagination in GS 2328 is not consecutive, quotes below give the page number in the whole PDF, to get the page number within Annex H itself subtract 85 from that figure) and “based on the trajectory of pastoral provision already existing in our church and tradition” (p.86, n5).

2.3 The bishops sum up the argument in these terms:

In short, the theological basis for pastoral provision is that it is a pastoral outworking for a time of uncertainty that respects the Church of England’s unchanged doctrine of marriage, including the aspects of that doctrine that are concerned with sexual intimacy. On that basis, we have concluded that making the PLF available for same-sex couples without there being an assumption as to their sexual relationships would not be contrary to the doctrine of the Church of England (Annex A, para 15, p.8)

3. What is meant by “pastoral provision”?

3.1. Pastoral provision (PP) is a new phrase and concept in CofE discussion and, although it aims to respect unchanged doctrine, is itself described as “a new insight into doctrine” (Annex A, para 24, p.9). 

3.2 Its heart is “acknowledging and celebrating what is good in same-sex relationships even if the Church is unable to commend every aspect of some relationships” (Annex A, para 23, p.9).

3.3 It “recognises that we all fall short of the ideal, of perfect holiness, but there are certain things we can do together, in our prayer, in our worship, in our life together to nurture the kind of virtues and goods that reflect more closely the ways of God” (p.90).

3.3 PP we are told 

  • “is based, first and foremost, on a practical theology of grace” in “the ongoing struggle of all human beings” (p.98). 
  • “does not weaken the demands of the gospel upon our lives” or “cheapen God’s grace” but rather makes provision so as “not to lay impossible burdens” but instead to “encourage the pursuit of Christ-likeness” (p.98) 
  • seeks to embody Christ-likeness by “holding a vision of life in all its fulness as an outcome of outrageous grace and acceptance” (p.100)
  • helps “bridge the recognition of ideals with the need to respond pastorally with grace, compassion, and a degree of provisionality and humility about what we do or do not know” (p.101)
  • “recognises the uncertainty of our current time…and does not stigmatise people but acknowledges the provisionality of our knowledge and responses in ways that err on the side of grace rather than judgement” (pp.101-2).
  • finds “ways to help people move forward in holiness in a world that falls far short of any ideals, without giving up on the idea of a proper or fuller configuration of relationships altogether” (p.102).

3.5 Many of these elements are drawn together in the following account (with numeration added to the published text) which, though it seems to define PP more widely, focusses in on its significance in relation to sexuality:

Pastoral provision…[1] seeks to focus firmly on what is good, and [2] encourage growth through the identification of God at work. It is [3] set within the landscape of a lack of corporate agreement. It also [4] seeks to respond to a….question: how do we find ways of living healthily and faithfully when the disciplines and laws of our church make it impossible for some to see a way towards life that is both bearable and holy? It is [5] rooted in the acknowledgement of the deep pain that has been expressed by LGBTQI+ Christians, together with our increasing understanding of social and scientific understandings of sexuality…(p.100)

These are then summed up in the sentence which follows:

It is an attempt to navigate a landscape where we see [1] good we may want to celebrate, [2] pain we may want to acknowledge and remedy, [3] repentance we need to engage in for our collective hardness of heart, [4] the provisionality of what we know and [5] the need to hold one another with care and tenderness, without imposing unbearable burdens on one another, and [6] the continued uncertainty in our common life that prevents us from clear and unanimous decision-making (p.100).

3.6 Although not explored (and hard to relate to the definitions above but described in terms of finding “ways to enable every member of the Church to live as faithfully as they can” (p.99)) it is also claimed that this new category of PP gives a rationale for the proposed pastoral reassurance i.e. what is being offered to those who “struggle so much” with PLF that “they need reassurance and a different way of relating within the Body of Christ” (p. 91 cf. p.94 on “the need for pastoral provision for those who cannot in conscience accept that this can be done”). It is also noted that “work is continuing” on “whether pastoral provision can be extended to clergy” (p.86, n3) presumably a reference to the as yet unpublished pastoral guidance and the bishops’ unannounced but leaked decision that they intend this to permit clergy to enter same-sex marriages and/or a sexual union other than marriage.

3.7 Given how many different elements are being introduced into this concept of PP and its acknowledged novelty there are serious questions as to whether it has been sufficiently tested in corporate discernment to ensure it is robust enough a development – academically, theologically, and practically – to bear the weight that is being put on it. This is crucial because it is being argued that PP theologically justifies PLF as representing “a proper degree of flexibility” and being “compatible with the general Anglican approach” where “the essential doctrines of the Church of England are safeguarded” (Annex A, paras 23, 24, 25, p.9) despite PLF being indicative of a change in doctrine.

4. What is the claim in relation to doctrine?

4.1 The doctrine of marriage is defined in Annex H not only as marriage uniting a man and a woman but as teaching that marriage is the way of life which “is the proper context for sexual intercourse” (p. 91). It is made clear that “the introduction of PLF does not change the shape of marriage in the Church’s doctrine nor its understanding of the place of sexual intimacy within marriage” (ibid).

4.2 It would appear therefore that the argument is that “nothing has changed” theologically in terms of doctrine: PP is rather “about conscience” [a key under-explored element in the rationale] and “creating a space within which it is possible to act differently from what has been possible in the past, but without a change in doctrine” (p. 99).

4.3 There is, however, confusion over how strong and definite this reaffirmation of doctrine actually is due to a number of other elements:

  • It is also claimed that although “the doctrine of marriage in relation to marriage as the fullest and given place for sexual expression is clear…its boundaries may be more porous than is sometimes allowed, and can flex to accommodate pastoral realities” and the “traditional teaching” is then defined quite differently as “sex properly belongs within lifelong, faithful, exclusive and socially and legally recognised relationships” (p. 94).
  • Annex H’s rationale is claimed to be offered for PLF as being “within the boundaries of the 2023 February Synod motion as amended” (p.86, n1) i.e. PLF “should not be contrary to or indicative of a departure from the doctrine of the Church of England” (clause g). Annex H at times makes strong claims for its rationale speaking of: 
    • “without changing doctrine”, p.89; 
    • “we are not changing the doctrine of the Church”, p.89; 
    • PLF “does not change the shape of marriage in the Church’s doctrine nor its understanding of the place of sexual intimacy within marriage”, p.91; 
    • there is not “a formal change in doctrine”, p.99; 
    • PP is “without a change in doctrine”, p.99; 
    • PP “acknowledges that the doctrine of our church with regards to marriage may not be undermined by the provision or the text of new commended or authorised prayers”, p.102.

4.4 However, at other times the claim is narrower as in (a) the opening notes which speak of an argument which “does not change doctrine in any essential matter” (p. 86, n.5); (b) “without implicitly changing the doctrine of marriage in any essential matter” (p. 92); (c) PLF are designed “to effect no change…‘in any essential matter’” (p.92)

4.5 The papers as a whole acknowledge that the bishops have been advised (presumably by lawyers and/or theologians in unpublished advice) that “it would be difficult to say that” the currently proposed PLF “was not indicative of any departure from the Church’s doctrine” (Annex A, para 17, p.8). They therefore state, “in so far as making the PLF available for couples in an active sexual relationship does involve any departure from doctrine, it nevertheless does not involve a departure from doctrine “in any essential matter”” (Annex A, para 26, p.9).

4.6 It therefore remains unclear whether the theological rationale being proposed is that PP (and so PLF as a worked example of PP) is constrained by “doctrine” or only by “essential doctrine”. It is also unclear whether the constraint that it is claimed is being met is that of being “not contrary to” doctrine or the more challenging constraint of being “not indicative of a departure from” doctrine. 

4.7 At least three elements signal that Annex H was seeking to provide a rationale for PLF on the basis that it fell within the narrower constraints of not being indicate of a departure from the church’s doctrine:

  • The lack of any discussion in the theological rationale itself as to how to distinguish “essential doctrine” (there is a very sketchy and weak argument drawing on Annex H set out in Appendix A, which has the feel of being hurriedly prepared, perhaps in the light of new legal or theological advice, paras 21-26, p.9), 
  • The explicit claim that the rationale for PLF is “within the boundaries of the 2023 February Synod motion as amended” (p.86, n1), 
  • The statement that if PP is the basis for an action then “the doctrine of our church with regards to marriage may not be undermined by the provision or the text of new commended or authorised prayers” (p.102, italics added). 

4.8 It is therefore hard to see how this rationale can be the theological basis for what is now being implemented given that it is acknowledged by the bishops that “it would be difficult to say that” the currently proposed PLF “was not indicative of any departure from the Church’s doctrine” (Annex A, para 17, p.8).

5. What is the claimed “trajectory”?

5.1 The claim is that even within the last sixty years “the Church has shifted in its language and expression of marriage, relationships and sexuality, not because the doctrine has changed in any essential matter” but due to “different circumstances” (p.92).

5.2 The evidence (only presented briefly and inevitably selectively) covers a number of areas and documents to claim that “the current proposal sits within a trajectory of the increasing recognition that pastoral responses to changing circumstances and complicated pastoral realities are possible, and need not represent a fundamental change to our doctrine of marriage, but are grace-based responses that enable the people of God to live in a complex world and find ways to grow in faith, hope and love” (p.94).

5.3 It is also argued that “language and concepts in teaching about marriage and in reflecting on same-sex relationships has changed immensely” and “to change how we speak inevitably changes what it is we speak of” such that “while on the surface the teaching has not necessarily changed, the deeper meaning has, because what is conveyed by the words has evolved”(p.95)

5.3 There is, clearly, some potential in this argument but it is (i) a novel argument which (ii) can be challenged in relation to its strength concerning there being a clear discernible trajectory. It is noteworthy that the careful, detailed LLF work over many years did not propose such an interpretation. It also (iii) fails to follow through and demonstrate that, even if there is such a trajectory, PLF is a valid or the only or even the best way of developing that trajectory at the current time, especially given that PLF’s central novel elements have been available options for many years but always rejected in the past.

5.4 In particular, given the concern to respect doctrine, the introduction of new and contentious liturgical material is a qualitative change in the form of “pastoral provision”. This distinguishes PLF from most elements noted in the trajectory or (as with the noted changes in relation to the Preface to the Marriage Service) would point to the need for Synodical approval under Canon B2 to ensure PP’s concern for upholding doctrine was being implemented.

6. What is the relationship of “pastoral provision” (PP) to “pastoral accommodation” (PA)?

6.1 Within the history of recent years, the nearest analogue to the idea of PP is that of “pastoral accommodation” (PA). The paper acknowledges this and describes PP as “an extension, with some significant differences, of the well-established concept of pastoral accommodation” (p. 99 and introducing Section 3.2 on these two concepts), effectively seeing PP as a further extension of a trajectory previously expressed in terms of PA (as set out, again briefly and selectively, with reference to various documents on pp.100-102).

6.2 The differences in PP arise from what are identified as problems with PA which it is said “is [1] laden with implicit power dynamics; [2]…has a chequered history, and [3] can be used to reinforce the sense that some people’s lives are somehow ‘second-class’. It [4] is still cast within the theological space of ‘remedy for sin’…For some…[5] it is deeply offensive and subverts the Church’s affirmation of goods in faithful, permanent, exclusive same-sex relationships (p. 100, numeration added).

6.3 This critique, placed alongside the various descriptions of PP (see section 3 above), raise serious questions as to whether the “significant differences” between PP and PA result in PP not being “an extension” of PA but more an alternative to it and a break from it in important respects.

6.4 Pastoral accommodation seeks to discern and offer forms of pastoral care and support for all within the body of Christ which recognise and are fitted to their life situation while also continuing to uphold and bear witness to the church’s doctrine and teaching. It is therefore focused on people and accommodating them when they may have acted in ways, or find themselves in situations, contrary to or in tension with that teaching. PA is not about affirming beliefs (however conscientiously arrived at) or behaviour which is contrary to church teaching. PA is not therefore primarily a means to deal with the problem of moral disagreement or challenges to existing doctrine. In fact, because PA bears witness to the church’s doctrine and moral teaching it cannot be embodied in actions which are acknowledged to be indicative of a change in that doctrine (see some of Sean Doherty’s discussion). This is one reason why the appeal (p.103) to the recent words of Pope Francis are not as strong an argument for PLF as the rationale claims (as explored in the comments by Ian Paul and Edward Dowler here).

6.5 The difficulties raised by the rationale’s account of PP, and how it contrasts with (more than it extends) past accounts of PA, can be illustrated in relation to three areas which are crucial to the rationale: goods, sin and uncertainty.

7. What is the argument concerning “goods”?

7.1 As we have seen, a central feature of PLF taking the form of PP (in supposed contrast to PA) is that the prayers are “acknowledging and celebrating what is good in same-sex relationships” (Annex A, para 23, p.9). This is stated multiple times in various ways e.g. PLF

  • is “the kind of response that genuinely rejoices at the goods we can see in same-sex relationships” (p.89), 
  • “acknowledge what we can unambiguously affirm as good: faithfulness, lifelong commitment, mutual love and flourishing, fruitfulness, stability” (p.94), 
  • “make a space to affirm joyfully all that is good and of God” (p.95); 
  • “identify goods” (p.106).

7.2 More significantly, these goods are then related to the goods of marriage as expressed in Christian doctrine so that PLF is claimed “to witness to the enduring message of the doctrine of marriage, by affirming very clear goods that bear a family resemblance to the goods of marriage…” (p.102).

7.3 It is also claimed that this is a recent development in the trajectory of church teaching where “successive reports also increasingly make room to recognise the goods in same-sex relationships. ‘Goods’ that were previously restricted to heterosexual marriage are now recognised in same-sex couples…This is a significant shift” (p.96). This is a strange claim as goods of “faithfulness”, “mutual love and flourishing”, “fruitfulness” and “stability” have long been acknowledged as present in some form in relationships other than marriage such as friendships, family relationships and households (cf. p.107) without this being seen as a ground to provide liturgies to celebrate these relationships or to relate these goods and the patterns of relationship embodying them, to the goods of marriage.

7.4 This raises the key but unexplored question as to how the goods of marriage relate to goods discerned within other patterns of relationships. Here there appears to be an assumption that goods identified in same-sex relationships, including same-sex civil marriages, are unambiguous goods and even in some sense equivalent to the goods of marriage (although there is also passing reference to “a gradation of goods”, p.96). In other words, it is presumed that the goods can be detached from marriage as the form of life in which they are embodied and viewed as exactly the same, and consistent with or even bearing positive witness to, the doctrine of marriage, when discerned in other patterns of life. 

7.5 There is, however, significant ambiguity relating to this appeal to goods, especially given that PP is premised on recognition of “uncertainty” concerning the church’s view of non-marital unions. For example, the good of faithfulness within the created good of marriage is not simply the faithfulness of the married couple to each other (including their sexual faithfulness). It is also their shared faithfulness to the pattern of life established by God which they have embraced (i.e. marriage). This aspect of faithfulness is not present, according to the Church’s doctrine, in non-marital unions. In addition, although there are goods in same-sex relationships, whether or not sexual faithfulness in same-sex relationships is a good is one of the key areas of dispute and corporate uncertainty and is also rejected by the church’s doctrine of marriage.

7.6 In addition, the goods of marriage are goods of marriage as an institution or estate established by God which couples embrace in the ordering of their lives. They are not primarily to be thought of in terms of goods of particular individual marriages. The degree to which the goods are present varies from marriage to marriage (most notably the good of procreation where the lack of this good in a particular marriage is usually a source of pain). However, in relation to PLF and the form of PP it offers, it is clearly stated that PLF “do not define a specific way of life in its entirety as a way of blessing – there is no definition of a specific ‘estate’” (p.106). The nature of the goods being affirmed and celebrated in PLF is therefore different from the goods of marriage and thus not able to bear positive witness unambiguously to those goods (cf. claims on p.102). 

7.7 This distinction might be connected with one alluded to but not explored in the rationale – there are undoubtedly “goods in same-sex relationships” (p.96) as in any relationship (given the goodness of God’s creation which is never totally destroyed by sin). But this is not the same as speaking of the “goods of same-sex relationships” in a manner paralleling the language of the “goods of marriage” in the Christian tradition. This also appears to make any use of PLF dependent (in a way quite different from the pastoral task when a couple seeks marriage) on the goods being able to be discerned as embodied in the particular relationship of the couple being prayed for. It is unclear how, by whom (it should really be a corporate, ecclesial discernment in some sense), or to what degree (‘unambiguous’ is a high bar) these goods need to be discerned.

7.8 The rationale also seems to treat the language of “goods” and the language of “virtue(s)” as effectively interchangeable (e.g. references to “crucial social virtues” and “virtues which the BCP uses to commend marriage” in quotation on p.97 from a text which nevertheless held these claims to be compatible with rejecting same-sex civil marriage and refusing to bless those entering it). This again focuses on the moral qualities (i.e. virtues) of the parties to a specific union and away from the goods of the estate of marriage. It fails to address significant ethical, theological and philosophical questions concerning the similarities and differences between virtues and goods.

8. What is being said about sin?

8.1 A central argument made for PP is that, in contrast to PA, it focuses on goods and not on sin but it is also acknowledged that a central question the church is wrestling with is “how far its doctrine of marriage may guide recognition of gifts and goods in sexual relationships outside Holy Matrimony” (p.91) given its doctrine that marriage is the proper context for sexual intercourse and so sex in other contexts is a form of sexual immorality (porneia).

8.2 The approach of PP seeks to emphasise that “all human beings and all human relationships fall short of the holiness and goodness of God shown in Jesus Christ” (p.98), “we all fall short of the ideal, of perfect holiness”, and all our relationships are “deeply distorted by sin” (p.90). The PP rationale rejects a “focus primarily on identifying the absence of virtue, or good, in others” (p.89). It fails, however, to provide an account of how this indisputable truth that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God relates to the varied patterns of relationship which are being prayed for or how this truth is reflected in the prayers so that “the ideal is maintained” as “something to work towards” (p.94). It is therefore unclear how, in the face of sin, the prayers enable us to be “immersed in habits and practices which foster the capacity for repentance and forgiveness” (p.99).

8.3 The argument that PP is the right approach rather than that of a change of doctrine and unqualified affirmation is not advanced in the form of a theological defence of the received doctrine. It seems to be based instead on the fact that there are those who think that same-sex sexual intimacy is wrong (as the church still teaches) and so believe that, to some degree at least, “the presence of sexual activity in these relationships undermines the goods that we see” (p.94). However, by refusing to acknowledge that there is sin, the PLF and the rationale, fail to address and respond to this theological conviction and concern. PLF thereby undermines the argument that it is the reality that these views are held by many in the church which “is the reason why it has been decided not to change doctrine, and only a more limited pastoral response is being offered” (pp.94-5). In fact, by expressing only an unambiguous affirmation of goods, PLF is unambiguously rejecting the very premise it proposes for only making a PP.

8.4 The argument is that PP is “based, first and foremost, on a practical theology of grace” (p.98) but grace is received and transforms lives through our repentance and leads to renewed commitment to obey God’s commandments and to live with Christ as Lord. The rationale acknowledges this (“the tension between grace freely given, and the need for trusting and obedient responsiveness in relation to it, runs through Scripture as a whole”, p.104) and emphasises the importance of holiness. It fails, however, to set out a positive vision of the pattern of chastity and holy living for a same-sex couple (as discussed here) and seems to assume that PLF can focus on grace without reference to repentance or obedience because it is “not an encapsulation of all our doctrine…we also need other practices embedded in our liturgies, worship and life together, that help us recognise our erring, such as repentance, teaching or correction. These complement and balance what the PLF do” (p.99).

8.5 It is of course the case that all the prayers offered in and by the church are prayers by sinners for fellow-sinners as the rationale offered for PP highlights. However, this does not mean all patterns of life can be the focus of joyful public prayers simply because goods are present but with no regard to those aspects which are sinful and fall short of God’s call to holiness. PLF is introducing public prayers for those whose relationships claim, contrary to church doctrine, to be marriage and/or to be a legitimate form of sexual union. Such prayers have until now been prohibited and so any theological rationale therefore needs to explain why that previous judgment was in error, especially when there has been no change in the teaching that those elements are a form of sin. The rationale fails to offer such an explanation. 

8.6 It would appear that PP (at least in the form it takes in PLF) is therefore susceptible to the mirror-image of the critique that the rationale makes of PA: PP is so focussed on goods that it fails to recognise and properly acknowledge sin as this is identified in the church’s teaching. This explains why Martin Davie has argued that “if the Church of England’s doctrines of marriage and sexual ethics are viewed alongside the Church’s doctrine concerning the need for repentance and forgiveness for sin, then what they [the bishops] are proposing is necessarily a change of doctrine in an ‘essential matter.’”

9. What is the claim about “uncertainty”?

9.1 What we are being offered by the bishops is a theological rationale for “pastoral provision in a time of uncertainty” (Annex A, paras 7&8, p.2, para 15, p.8): “the question that faces the church therefore is, what do we do in a time of uncertainty about the way we should take?” (p.88). There is, however, relatively little discussion about why “uncertainty” (rather than e.g. “disagreement” which is a key theme explored in LLF materials and the subject of a previous FAOC report) has been highlighted, the nature of this “uncertainty”, or why PP in the form it has been articulated and then embodied in PLF is the proper response to this “uncertainty”. It is also unclear whether PP is inherently always a response to uncertainty or whether uncertainty is simply a feature of our current context.

9.2 The reaffirmation of the doctrine of the church and the insistence that PP (and so PLF) should not change that doctrine (though with the ambiguities noted above in 4.3-4.8) would seem to suggest that it is not being claimed that our doctrine is uncertain. This, however, is never explicitly stated and some appear to understand PP as necessary because of a corporate uncertainty over whether or not our doctrine is correct: “there are those among us who continue to hold to the teaching of the Church….there are those who long for change, because they have prayerfully come to the conclusion, following the study of Scripture and tradition, that it would be right to change our teaching….” (p.88).

9.3 The focus of the uncertainty appears to be that we find ourselves “in a time of uncertainty about the way we should take” (p.88) and that we need to face “the reality of our collective uncertainty as to the way ahead” and are therefore in a time of “corporate not-knowing” (p.89). This effectively acknowledges that we are at an impasse though limited analysis of this reality is offered. In particular, the rationale falls short of acknowledging that this “uncertainty” is in large part due not to widespread uncertainty but rather to there being widely-held but competing and seemingly incompatible (near-)certainties at every level of the church.

9.4 The claim is made that PLF as a form of PP is a better option for “the way we should take” in the face of uncertainty compared to two others: “not to change” and “try to force change through” (p.89). The reasons against the former are that not changing “would be deeply hurtful” to many and “risk being seen as ignoring the commitment we have made as a church to repent from homophobia” (p.89). Though important, neither of these arguments are based on the church’s practice of 2000 years having been demonstrated to be false and these failings are also seen as features of PLF by many, perhaps most, wanting change. Similarly, the description offered of the other option (“forcing change through”) and the rejection of it because it “would not respect the strong misgivings of large parts of the Body, or the reality of our collective uncertainty as to the way ahead” (p.89) also apply to the introduction of PLF. In other words, PLF is not obviously a solution to the problem of uncertainty it is framed to resolve and it does not escape the critiques the rationale offers against alternative approaches in order to defend PLF.

9.5 In the face of this uncertainty it is argued that the way forward needs to be marked by “provisionality and humility” (p.89) but it is far from clear in what sense PLF is “provisional” (might it be reversed and if so how?) and the speed and manner in which it (and the theological rationale for it) has been produced and introduced has not been obviously marked by either provisionality or humility.

9.6 In particular the new, decisive step which distinguishes the current proposals from those made in the past (notably GS 2055 back in 2017) is that its “pastoral provision” extends to “liturgical provision”. As the rationale notes, “the role of prayer and worship in shaping and forming doctrine” is “particularly important for Anglican Churches” (p.102). The burden of proof, in a “time of uncertainty”, must surely therefore be on those introducing controversial new liturgical innovations and the presumption must be against doing so through any means that bypasses the normal and proper synodical processes set out in Canon B2. 

10. Is the theological rationale persuasive and how might we move forward?

10.1 The above analysis has failed to do justice to all the elements of the theological rationale offered in Annex H. That rationale offers a creative line of argument to justify what is being proposed. Its broad outline will probably prove hard to better in any attempted theological defence of the proposals. One of its problems, however, is that it appears to be just that—a theological rationale rapidly created to justify a broad course of action which had already been decided upon through political processes without reference to this or any other serious theological rationale. It also appears to be a rationale for an outcome whose detailed shape and legal underpinnings have continued to be in constant flux without being guided by the theological arguments set out here.

10.2 The rationale highlights many key areas that need to be addressed if there is to be a theologically cogent and coherent basis for what it is being proposed. In its wrestling with the need to uphold existing doctrine and yet be pastorally generous there are a number of important ingredients identified. If the Church of England were following its previously standard processes (notably through FAOC (the Faith and Order Commission) and in the work leading to the LLF resources) then Annex H would constitute a helpful initial paper which would then be considered within a careful, corporate theological discernment drawing on a range of skilled academics from various traditions within Anglicanism. By this means it would be subject to an iterative process which would sift and refine its arguments before publication and wider evaluation. Such a process could well help us better understand where we now find ourselves, what exactly is being done theologically in PLF, and perhaps offer wisdom as to how we might best proceed. Currently, however, we are some way from this annex’s ingredients having produced even an over-ready, let alone a fully-baked, cake and it is far from clear that PLF as currently proposed could be the sort of cake that would result.

10.3 It is noted that for some the central argument for PP as the PLF’s rationale “represents far too little and may be considered deeply disappointing and hurtful” (p86, n6). The basis for this response is most likely to be their rejection of the doctrine that PP seeks to uphold rather than PP’s change in how doctrine relates to practical practice. The rationale, however, offers them no theological defence for upholding that doctrine. For others, the problem is with the rationale’s claim that “appropriate provision does not represent a change in doctrine if it is enshrined in commended or authorised prayers for public worship, rather than an ad hoc, private response” (ibid). If there is to be no change in doctrine then it is this critique (which is focussed on “a change in how doctrine and pastoral practice relate to one another”) which is most pressing. However, although it is indeed “referred to in the text” this problem it is never fully addressed or answered.

10.4 The argument presented above sets out some of the major difficulties that the rationale faces in defending itself from such a critique by those committed not to undermine the doctrine which Annex H claims to be upholding in its account of PP and defence of PLF.  It argues that the “new insight” of PP which is neither adequately justified theologically nor shown to be sufficient to provide a justification for PLF in its current proposed form as a faithful expression of PP.

10.5 This raises both major concerns in relation to the theological basis of PLF and also more widely given that PP is being presented as the theological basis for both pastoral reassurance and possible significant changes to the Pastoral Guidance to replace Issues. This highlights once again, the problems with abandoning earlier commitments not to proceed with PLF until the package as a whole was clear and it makes it even more likely that there will not be a consistent and coherent underlying theological rationale for all three areas which the bishops are seeking to address: PLF, guidance, and reassurance.  

10.6 Faced with these problems there would appear to be broadly three (not necessarily mutually exclusive) pathways forward that would have some degree of theological integrity and which might enable the Church of England to proceed in a way that minimises conflict and division and maintains as high a degree of communion as possible in the light of where we now are: 

  1. Pausing in order to refine and develop further the theological arguments set out here in Annex H and then seeking a consensus for them in their final articulation as an adequate theological rationale for a form of PLF consistent with them and for new pastoral guidance and pastoral reassurance including any “formal structural pastoral provision in this time of uncertainty” (Introduction, para 18, p.3);
  2. Recognising that for “a time of uncertainty” we have well-established processes in relation to liturgical development and so using Canon B2 (and the need for two-thirds support for any change in all 3 Houses of General Synod at the end of the process) for all of PLF;
  3. Acknowledging that our deeper problem is that the Church has within it two significantly sized groupings divided over whether the existing doctrine is right and should shape our pastoral and liturgical life or is wrong and needs to be replaced with an alternative theology that should then shape our pastoral and liturgical life. Each of these has a clear and internally consistent theological rationale. What is therefore likely needed is not an unsatisfactory and unstable mix of supposed doctrinal continuity but with significant practical changes based on a “new insight into doctrine”. Instead, we need to seek some form of new structural settlement which would give to each of these contrasting and competing theologies their own secure, legally defined and episcopally-led ecclesial space with theological integrity and as high a degree of communion as possible between them within the Church of England.

Revd Dr Andrew Goddard is Assistant Minister, St James the Less, Pimlico, Tutor in Christian Ethics, Westminster Theological Centre(WTC) and Tutor in Ethics at Ridley Hall, Cambridge.  He is a member of the Church of England Evangelical Council (CEEC) and was a member of the Co-Ordinating Group of LLF and the subgroup looking at Pastoral Guidance.

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58 thoughts on “Do the Prayers of Love and Faith have a good rationale?”

  1. I am so glad that Andrew Goddard has come to the conclusion that we now have two distinct Church of Englands, with quite different aims and objectives. The only honest thing to do now is to accept that basic fact and give the orthodox a Third Province, where they can pursue the evangelism of England and provide the Biblical teaching they believe is so sorely needed. That is the one and only fair, just and satisfactory way forward. People need to start saying so loudly and publicly.

    • They already have been offered an opt out from prayers of blessing for homosexual couples if they don’t want to do them, despite Synod voting by majority for such Prayers. Just as there is alternative episcopal oversight for Vicars and Parishes that only want male leadership, not women priests or bishops and just as Vicars in the C of E have a conscience opt out from remarrying divorced couples.

      If even that is not enough then the most ‘Orthodox’ are welcome to leave the established church and join GAFCON or become Baptist or Pentecostal if they refuse to accept the prayers of blessing for homosexual parishioners married in English civil law

      • Remember Climategate? What would be interesting would be a Lambethgate scandal in which Lambeth Palace’s computers are hacked and emails about SSM and Safeguarding are placed online.

      • As they are now the majority of the Church of England, after all Liberals won the Synod votes on women priests and Bishops and remarriage of divorcees, by the 2/3 majority required.

        As February’s Synod vote showed a majority of Synod also back prayers of blessing for homosexual couples married in English civil law, now that may not yet be at a 2/3 majority and certainly not for full homosexual marriage in C of E churches but then the Synod vote for women bishops failed to get the 2/3 majority either on its first Synod vote. However the direction of travel was clear

      • They can have alternative oversight to avoid women Bishops, where they disagree with women’s ordination. It’s not alternative oversight for conservative viewpoints. You can avoid a woman Bishop, but you cannot avoid a Bishop who agrees with women’s ordination.

        • You can as all the flying Bishops for Parishes which oppose women priests are of the Forward in Faith Anglo Catholic or conservative evangelical variety

        • So where is it?

          As usual its unbalanced scales – conservatives who complain are pandered too, LGBT people get empty promises

          I’m not talking about leaving the CofE, although I am now at a stage where I would encourage everyone to leave because it seems immoral, dishonest and unwilling to deal with abuse.

    • It should be common ground for those who believe the Articles and Homilies that the paramount need of all people everywhere is to hear, believe and obey two vital messages. The terrible warnings, some from Christ’s own lips, to flee from the wrath to come; and the wonderful and sincere invitations and promises to all, some from Christ’s own lips, to repent and submit to Christ in his atoning death and life-giving resurrection, and to obey him for the rest of their lives.
      And the paramount responsibility for those who are in Christ Jesus is to pray that God in his sovereign love, mercy and grace will send his breath from heaven and breathe on those not in Christ Jesus, that they may live, and to pray that he will move the hearts of all who name the name of Christ to believe, teach and preach both of these two vital messages.
      Those in the Church who believe the supreme importance of these two vital messages are, no doubt, encouraged by the Church of England Evangelical Council and Church Society, teaching and preaching them and praying that God will move the whole Church to join in doing the same. They are convinced that these messages are not only revealed in the Bible but also supported by the 39 Articles, Homilies and Book of Common Prayer which all Anglican Ministers have promised to follow by making the Declaration of Assent and their ordination vows.
      The disagreement about same-sex behaviour and marriage has consumed and is consuming a lot of time, energy and debate in the Church of England, because the truth of the Bible and a change to the doctrine of the Church is at stake.
      Nobody is presently trying to change the doctrines of Original Sin and the Wrath of God to which the 39 Articles, Homilies and Book of Common Prayer point. But are the terrible warnings and the wonderful invitations and promises believed and preached by the whole Church with the earnestness and urgency promised by those who have made the Declaration of Assent and their ordination vows?
      The clear answer to that is “No”. Most of the Church disagrees with the terrible warnings. This failure is surely more important than the same-sex disagreement, important though that is!
      That being the case the time has come to follow the remarkable example set out in Galatians 2:11-14:
      “But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”’
      where one Apostle who met Christ on the Damascus Road openly rebuked another Apostle on whom Christ said he would build his Church.
      What is needed in the desperate situation of the Church of England is an open letter of challenge and rebuke to the Church about her failure, as a whole, to believe, teach and preach the terrible Biblical warnings of the Day of Judgment facing non-Christians, and the wonderful invitation to all to repent and submit to Christ in his atoning death and life-giving resurrection.

      A serious effort by the CEEC and Church Society to do everything possible to organise this would involve mobilising all the Diocesan Evangelical Groups to support such a letter
      together with an integrated plan to get this issue raised formally at all Synodical levels.

      Phil Almond

  2. They are a way of pretending to compromise on a deeply contentious issue while actually not being any change at all. They are deliberately dishonest. The same church which tells gay people they are sinful for seeking to marry is pursuing dishonesty as a teaching policy. The blessings are merely something Bishops can fob off politicians and the media with to avoid talking about relationships, sex and abuse.

    No attempt to actually improve treatment of LGBT people in the church. No attempt to explain the theology of marriage and relationships or guidance on pastoring communities that are entirely in another galaxy in terms of family life. No attempts to be honest or accountable. No attempts to learn or try not to repeat massive sexual abuse scandals in the church.

    Welby should apologize and resign.

  3. ‘THE General Synod is to vote on whether stand-alone services of blessing for same-sex couples should be authorised immediately for experimental use rather than first undergoing a full synodical process.

    The move would effectively reverse a decision made in the House of Bishops last month (News, 27 October), but seems to be supported by both archbishops.

    A total of 13 amendments have been tabled to the motion to be tabled by the Bishop of London, the Rt Revd Sarah Mullally, on Tuesday afternoon, which recognises both the uncertainty surrounding the implementation of Prayers of Love and Faith for same-sex couples, and the progress that has already been made. The Synod’s agreement in February (News, 10 February) to commend the prayers has since been challenged by those who want the decision to be removed from the Bishops and given to the Synod.

    The Bishop of Oxford, Dr Stephen Croft, has tabled an amendment asking the Bishops “to consider whether some stand-alone services for same-sex couples could be made available for use, possibly on a trial basis, on the timescale envisaged by the motion passed by the Synod in February 2023”.’

  4. I despair of the Church of England.

    The teaching of God’s people since the days of Abraham and Lot has been that neither homosexuality nor lesbianism is acceptable to the only One who matters, God Himself.

    While Synod rearranges the deckchairs on the Titanic for 3 days this week, it will do nothing about evangelising a fallen world and a country in which antisemitism is becoming rampant.

    Yesterday the Archbishop of Canterbury tweeted (or should that be X-ed?) about Diwali, a pagan festival for worshippers of pagan gods. Words fail me …

    • Jesus never said a word against homosexuality. While there are passages in the Bible which oppose male same sex relations, I can’s see passages against lesbianism unless you can enlighten me?

      The Church of England is as much a liberal Catholic and Anglo Catholic church as an evangelical one and while condemning anti semitism it also supports a state for Palestinians too.

      Hindus often tweet Happy Christmas to Christians at that time of year, so nothing wrong with the Archbishop also recognising Diwali

      • Of course He did when He affirmed and confirmed the precepts of law, not one jot or tittle, would be removed. Matthew 5;18.
        It is to be written on our hearts by the Spirit of God, who is Holy to convict of sin, leading to repentance.

      • Simon, have you actually read any of the literature on this issue? It often seems not.

        1. Jesus explicitly affirmed marriage as between one man and one woman, because of creation.

        2. Though he challenged many things in Judaism, he never challenged the consensus that rejected any form of SSS; this was a key distinctive of Jewish ethics in the first century.

        3. The early church adapted many things, but took over this ethic wholesale.

        4. Paul makes explicit Jesus’ implicit ethic.

        5. Though the Leviticus texts (rooted in creation) mention males only, rabbinic interpretation took it to apply to women too. Hence Paul’s mention of women in Rom 1.

        6. In all the NT texts, the term ‘porneia’ will have been understood to include all the prohibited relationships in the OT.


        • 1. This is a “conservative” interpretation of the text. Jesus was responding to a question about divorce at a time when same sex marriage didn’t exist. Its a stretch to say that from this Jesus opposes anything other than one man, one woman marriages

          3 unclear if they did or did not since gay people weren’t really known about then, but this is hardly a ringing endorsement for opposing SSM since the same people also adopted slavery

          5 do you think that maybe “their women” in Romans 1 indicates that Paul was talking about same sex sex and not marriage of gay people?!

          6 circular logic

          • Gay people weren’t really known about? In the Graeco-Roman world? Seriously? The Theban army had a elite battalion of paired-off male homosexuals, and that was just for starters. Read Kenneth Dover’s book.

          • You embarrass yourself, Peter. Homosexuality was mainstream in the Graeco-Roman world. I’ve already pointed you to a book about the subject.

          • Anton

            There were certainly people having same sex sex in the Roman Empire. This is not the same as there being widespread knowledge and understanding that some people are naturally attracted to the same sex.

          • Anton

            Sex is a behavior, not a personal characteristic.

            My dog tries to have sex with my arm when she is in heat. I’d say that was a natural behavior, but its not a natural characteristic

        • So no explicit mention by Jesus of homosexual lifelong unions being wrong then.

          Pornea is of course a reference to fornication, heterosexual as much as homosexual, not loving and committed unions.


            It is feared that JT’s construct of Athanasius’s exposition of what idolatry is, is erroneous….

            In *Against the Gentiles* Athanasius traces the origins of idolatry.

            1 Male and female made in the image of God…
            “having no obstacle to the knowledge of the Divine continuously contemplates by his purity
            the image of his Father, the GOD WORD after whose image he was made; he is awestruck when he grasps the providence, through the Word extends to the universe, being raised above the sensual and every bodily appearance, cleaving instead, by the power of the mind, to the divine and intelligible realities in heaven…..and being renewed by its desire for him.”

            2. Anthanasius considered that this was the condition God created the human race was the condition in which he wished them *to remain*, *to abide*. However, human beings chose otherwise, and so now *remain* caught in corruption and death, until the salvific work of Christ, they are enabled *to remain* in immortality.

            3. (Gen 3)
            “In this way then, as has been said, did the Creator fashion the human race, and such did he wish it to remain.
            “But human beings, contemptuous the Better things and shrinking from their apprehension, sought rather what was closer to them –
            –and Closer to them was the Body and its sensations.

            “So they turned their minds away from intelligible reality and began to consider themselves.
            –and holding to the body and other senses, they Fell into Desire for Themselves, preferring their own things to the contemplation of divine things.

            “Spending their time in these things, and being unwilling to turn away from things close to hand, they Imprisoned In Bodily Pleasures their souls which had Become Disordered and Mixed Up with all kinds of Desires, while they Forgot the power they received from God in the beginning….”

            ” But when, by the counsel of the serpent, he abandoned his thinking of God and began to consider himself, then they Fell into the desires of the Body…
            “For abandoning the consideration of and desire for the one and the real, I mean God, from then on they gave themselves up to various and separate desires of the body.”

            4 Rather than occupying themselves with the Word of God, the body can even be said to be the locus of selfness of being human. in this way, humans fell into the chaos of the fleshly desires of the body, forgetting what they had received from God.

            5. With their souls directed towards the body, in, by, and for itself, the body is now the very point of human separation from God, not because of its materiality, BUT BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME AN IDOL”.

            Abstracted from, On the Incarnation, Saint Athanasius. Popular Patristic Series, (No44b) St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, translation and introduction by John Behr

            NB. On the Incarnation is set against and follows on from the structure of Against the Gentiles.

          • Sorry, Simon, you are really uninformed about this. See my replies to Jonathan Tallon on another thread.
            Have you ever studied Ancient Greek or the Septuagint?

          • Geoff

            Individuals are welcome to their own beliefs, but I don’t think its plausible for the cofe to pretend that gay people don’t exist (by that I mean people with lifelong exclusive attraction to the same sex). People do not choose to be gay, but are by nature gay. If the cofe decides otherwise it will just make itself more detached from reality and less relevant to the public

        • Or alternatively,

          1. Jesus warns against thinking there is a command not to marry or thinking he is telling us it’s better not to marry.

          2. The same-sex sex going on in the ancient world was not an alternative to heterosexual marriage, but additional (even Hadrian had a wife). And the ethic around was that this was not really adultery or a violation of the marriage bed. By contrast the Jewish ethic is that sex is sex, and being same-sex sex isn’t any of “get out of jail free” card.

          3. The earliest of the early Church talking about this was St John Chrysostom. He’s very clear in his homilies on Romans that the condemnation is not of homosexuals. He begins his fourth homily on Romans saying that he’s talking about people who are not “hindered of legitimate intercourse” or who have “no means to fulfil their desire”, and is instead talking about people who changed (which he thinks implies possession).

          4. Paul absolutely makes Jesus’ teaching more explicit. In Romans 13 he sets out that Jesus’s famous commandment to love your neighbour as yourself, is the summation of all the commandments (against adultery, theft, murder etc.), and “Love does no harm to a neighbour, therefore love is the fulfilment of the law”

      • Dear T1 I find it strange when you say “Jesus never said a word against homosexuality”, as if we are only dealing with the red letter parts of the Bible. When the Father speaks, the Holy Spirit speaks and Jesus (The Word – John 1 v 1) speaks. There is no disagreement in the Godhead. The whole Word of God is relevant. (2 Tim 3 16-17)

  5. Over 20 years ago, not long ater conversion to Christ, there was a divali display in a local CoE cathedral.
    It was deeply grievous.
    There is Christian gospel response, which could include pointing to the uncreated Light of the World, Jesus – the only inextinguishable eternal light in the darkness.
    2 Corinthians 4:4

    • How appalling for Indian Christians, who suffer terrible persecution from Hindu nationalists, and for converts from Hinduism.
      Welby doesn’t get theology.

      • Sunak is a Hindu PM who celebrates Diwali, yet happily sends greetings to Christians for a happy Christmas. We are the UK not India (and indeed Christian worship is still legal in India unlike some Asian nations)

        • T1,
          1.Where do you get your theology from?
          2.What is the exclusively evangel of Christianity?
          3.Which god do you believe?
          You’ve never answered Q’s 2 + 3 on this site.

      • Peter,
        Please scroll up. I didn’t bring the matter divali and the AbCto our attention if that is what you are referring to. (Can’t really tell due to the intervening comments.) It was John Smith 13 nov @10:50 pm.

  6. Following the meeeting on November 3rd reported here

    (“Archbishop Justin said he was totally and unequivocally committed to the goal of a radical new Christian inclusion that embraced LBTQIA+ people”), we know exactly what the rationale for the Prayers of Love and Faith are: Welby’s will and Welby’s power, and the Church of England’s constitution can go hang.

      • If you bothered to read Andrew Goddard’s long and painstaking essays here then you won’t find employment even mentioned. The present issue is about blessings of gay sexual relationships, and all the episcopal dissembling about blessing of two individuals and not a sexual relationship cannot hide that.

          • It’s not all he said. According to the (gay) Rev’d Colin Coward, who was prewsent, Welby was “totally and unequivocally committed to the goal of a radical new Christian inclusion that embraced LBTQIA+ people”.

            I suggest you consuilt with Rev Sam Allberry about how he should go about it.

          • Anton

            According to people who were at the meeting, he claimed that he was committed to inclusion because he had appointed gay people to secular offices

          • Sam All berry isn’t a part of the CofE any longer and I don’t think he would thank you for saying he is gay. He signed the Nashville statement which says identifying as gay is a sin.

  7. It is quite clear to any honest reader of scripture that the Bible unequivocally condemns homosexual acts. If there is any doubt about this one can read any of the books on the subject by Preston Sprinkle, D.W Snyder Belousek, Kevin deYoung, John Stott, Oliver O’Donavan, Robert Gagnon. There are many others.

    Of course there are alternate books, other interpretations: Matthew Vines, Marcus Green, Cheryl Anderson, Nicholas Coulton, Jeffrey John and many, many others. But the mere fact of alternate positions is not decisive. What is decisive are the assumptions. The same sex affirming authors assume the scripture is the work of men and is therefore flawed and/or incomplete. One doesn’t have to be a young Earth creationist to believe that the Bible is the Word of God and that it tells us everything we need to know. We don’t read anything into silences. We don’t presume to criticise the Bible, we let it criticise us. We certainly don’t assume that the Bible has no agency and that it is only the reader who brings the sum of his experiences and knowledge to bear on the text and that he can, with integrity, make anything he likes out of it. Were this so, God could not judge the world. He could not use the written word as a medium of communication. And He has. If you don’t accept that the biblical writers were able to convey meaning clearly, there is no Christian faith.

    Am I advancing the notion that the Bible allows no differences of opinion? Of course not, but on central issues there is a remarkable consensus. We know a heresy when we test one. The Bible is very clear on what is a sin. There are differences of opinion, not because the text is unclear, but because many, many, many don’t like what the Bible says. So, let’s not imagine that Christians don’t agree. Let’s admit that on the issue of homosexuality there is disagreement because our personal investment is so great that it often skews the point of view. And many who think they are Christians are not Christians.

    Knowing that homosexuality is a sin leaves us with deep questions about the nature of God. It is clear that same sex attracted people do not choose their orientation. It is true that they feel rejected by God and the Church and we can understand the LGB lobby trying to change attitudes.

    The Church have a pastoral responsibility and have taken it on. They also have a theological responsibility and they certainly haven’t taken it on.

    The problem is that if the Church of England succeed and bless same sex relations and then, following the path of least resistance, agree to endorse same sex marriage, what do they do about God?

    We have to ask seriously what God is really like. Would He really expect same sex attracted men and women to face celibacy as the only option for their lives? Certainly we, in the 21st century, do not think this realistic. In fact many are insulted by the suggestion. Ed Shaw’s book ‘The Implausibility Problem’ (in which a same sex attracted man describes the trials of facing celibacy for Jesus’ sake) seems fine for saints, but is not considered practical for anyone else.

    So, is God cruel, unrealistic, or worse, unable to get His point across?

    When God told Abraham to cast his concubine and 13 year old son out into the desert was He behaving as a loving Father? What about the command to sacrifice his son, Isaac? When God used Israel to slaughter the Amalekites and Midianites was He gentle and mild? When God told the exiles to abandon their foreign wives and children, did he take into account the consequences of abandoning women and children in a hostile patriarchal age? Was God entirely reasonable when he expected early Christians to face torture and death for His sake? If you study the Bible, God is not the liberal darling the Church of England think they are dealing with.

    So, is God a monster, as some are now suggesting? No! No! One thousand times no! Nothing Jesus has said makes any sense at all, if we do not realise that nearly everything God expects us to do is impossible. Christianity is a supernatural religion. It cannot be conducted in our own strength or with our understanding. We have to take the plunge and submit ourselves to God in all things and this often means letting go of our precious liberal understanding.

    It is only when we take the plunge and tell God we will do it His way that our relationship with Him even begins. Read the lives of the Saints, see what people in other generations thought the Christian faith was all about. It is streaked with pain and suffering. God uses pain and suffering to draw us to Himself. Same sex attracted Christians have an opportunity to enter into a level of relationship with God that is not available to other Christians. Ed Shaw has taken this step. So has Sam Allberry and Becket Cook but these are just a few famous examples. God is asking homosexuals to give their sexuality to Him. It’s outrageous, of course, but it is very much like God.

    Of course Catholic priests, who were forced into celibacy (against the scripture) have been guilty of gross sexual sins and have discredited the Church. Jesus warned that only those called to celibacy can face its challenges (with His help). But in the case of homosexuals, it is God who has declared such behaviour a sin, it is God, therefore, who has to carry the disciple who suffers. It is my contention that God honours and blesses obedient same sex attracted people and opens the door to a real and deep relationship with them, based on their sacrifice. This life isn’t one devoid of suffering, but it isn’t devoid of God’s love and care either.

    It was God who comforted Hagar, it was God who would have looked after the abandoned foreign wives. It is God who brought temporal judgments against the Canaanites to prevent them corrupting their next generation and becoming a production line for hell. If a nation goes beyond the point of no return, God would (in that dispensation) destroy nations that threatened to derail His plan of salvation.

    Now, I am mentioning hell and I know that the CofE is riddled with universalists and annihilationists of various shades. Eternal judgment just happens to be what the Bible teaches and it’s another reason why the liberals don’t really believe the Bible. It is a teaching beyond comprehension. What are we to do with it? Liberals simply won’t accept it. It doesn’t square with their gentle Jesus. Conservatives hate it, but accept that they will have to trust God with it. Our understanding is not the arbiter of all things.

    The affirming authors all make the mistake of asking why God condemns homosexuality. Then they come up with rationalisations. God expects obedience. He does not explain Himself to us. He is the Creator of the Universe, not some bloke we met in the pub. Is this mindless acceptance? No. We have to pray for wisdom and seek answers from God. Such answers come by revelation. Not all answers are apprehended by the mind. The big answers come to the spirit by revelation.

    God is entirely consistent. The God of wrath in the Old Testament is the Jesus of the new. God expects everything from us, our whole life. The Christian life is the carrying of a cross. We, in this century do not realise how lucky and rich and self entitled we are. Who is afraid of losing their salvation? Teresa of Avila was, but we, of course, expect to be blessed. I put it to you and remind myself that this generation are living a substandard Christianity. Hence the lack of miracles and the dearth of spiritual gifts. Past generations will arise at the judgment, put LLF in the fire where it belongs and condemn us all as unbelievers. Unless the General Synod take seriously the prospect that Jesus may remove the lampstand from the Church of England, they stand to make an existential mistake.

    • This is the conundrum for conservatives- accepting that gay people exist while also believing that homosexuality is a sin.

      My comment would be that scripture can honestly read differently when you have different experiences.

      1. If you are not gay or someone in the gay world then you would quite naturally latch on to “the clobber verses” as being about gay people and not consider other,more positive passages, as being relevant.

      2. If you are not gay or someone in the gay world then you probably don’t have a good understanding of gay sex. Worse, you may think you do. If you don’t understand the modern context then you’re going to be even less well equipped to understand the ancient context.

      3. Broadly speaking people who are in their 50s and older grew up in a society where being gay was a crime. People who are in their 30s and older grew up in a society where being gay was a ‘orrible disease. People who are younger than 30 have grown up in a society where gay people are a disadvantaged minority. Jesus was tough on sin, healing to lepers and angry for victims of injustice. That’s going to inform your Bible reading … and we see that in the church – one group of people arguing for full inclusion, including marriage, another pushing all sorts of cures from simple prayers to full therapy and a third who simply want all the gays to get their comeuppance

  8. More heat than light I fear PJ. What gays get up to in the dark and their Pride is of no concern.
    That they put a non- theological spin on their activities and wish to enter the churches with their behaviours is the point in question. Gays enter the kingdom as all sinners do when they Repent and be baptized [Repentance to God and faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ] Baptism meaning the death of the self and resurrection to newness of life, a new creation, being born again, old things, and behaviours are passed away; Gays are not unique.

    Also there is much striving about the law
    Titus 3:9
    But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. And 1 Timothy 6:4-5
    and to the Goatherders Revelation 3:3

    All these things [issues] must come to pass see that you are not troubled John 14:1

    2 Thess.1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
    1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
    1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
    1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
    1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
    1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
    1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
    1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
    1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
    1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
    1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.


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