How can we minister in deprived areas?


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17 thoughts on “How can we minister in deprived areas?”

  1. Interesting John
    I have a friend I supported who was a London City Missionary on Thamesmead for many years who went door to door all over it. Have no idea what the Church is like there now,but I know that he sowed a great deal of seed.
    On the review and reaching the poorer parts of the land and the allocation of “resources”.
    I wonder if Jonathan has considered that High Churchman once eschewed from the Church, Mr Wesley or Messer’s. Booth, Whitfield, Darby, Fox et al.
    What were their “resources”. Why universally impactful
    and transformative? What were their Methods and why was
    Holiness central to their proclamations?
    How different were they to the “Love is God” doctrine?
    I wonder if it is time to eschew that church and “go into the Highways and byeways”outside it. Shalom.
    Before we were married my wife took me along a road near The Mildmay Mission Hospital in East London [itself founded in the dead end of London] On this long road she pointed out that every other building was once a Gin Palace, today not even a Pub! and we think that we have a problem with drugs and alcohol today! Shalom.

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  2. Reading this my first thought was how it echoes themes from “Faith in the City” Church of England report the annoyed Margaret Thatcher by appearing left wing. Has much changed in 40+ years?

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  3. I love our church (I’m not the minister, one of its members). It’s in a poor coastal area and does much varied work amongst the disadvantaged. Many of them have joined teams helping with the pantry, free café and so on. Some have become paid part timers alongside many volunteers. Dozens have been baptised as adults in the last few years. Different worship services often include one or two homeless, several coming of addictions…the typical raft of issues associated with wealth inequality – alongside retired teachers and so on.

    But everything costs something…we need money from richer areas! Part timers are paid a real living wage, the ‘plant’ needs maintenance….and most of the congregation are not well off for giving (even though the level of individual giving is twice the CofE average according to Cornerstone.)

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  4. Yes Dave the Jerusalem Church was greatly helped by the various churchplants in prosperous parts of the empire.

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  5. Thanks, John, for this insightful book review. It’s a long term issue (someone’s already referred to the Faith in the City report of 1985.)
    My experience is that all the larger (say 300+ congregation) C of E churches I know are either gathered commuter congregations in in city/town centres or in affluent suburbs, none are in the kinds of communities this book describes. Your point that clergy from such churches are ‘often moved into more prestigious posts’ is absolutely right – they’re held up as the exemplars for some reason. ‘Pre-formed clerical plans will crash to the ground. It is by absorbing the feel of a church and of its community, and by sensing, with the help of the Spirit, directions that need to be taken that will eventually lead to a church responding effectively to the opportunities and challenges that its community presents.’ Amen. It’s parish ministry which takes the parish seriously as the place where God is already present with people – Sam Wells’ work is helpful here I think – and it takes time and patience and a willingness to learn with others what the gospel means there. A vicar who learns with others as together they discover the presence of Christ – a different approach to leadership.
    Thanks again.

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  6. Being a member of the clergy in a poor area is rather like being a teacher in a state school in a poor inner city, seaside or ex industrial town. You need to have some connection with that demographic, perhaps having come from a working class background yourself without much money. You also need to have high aspirations and set clear standards, based on the teachings of Christ as a teacher expects a disciplined and well ordered classroom to follow their subject.

    It also doesn’t involve treating the views of the members of the Parish as unacceptable, indeed dare I say it might even be worth having a few clergy in largely white working class Parishes who are Reform voters from working class backgrounds. Having the usual middle class Labour, LD clergy with a dash of Tory or Green and often private or grammar school or leafy suburb comprehensive or academy followed by Oxbridge or Durham might work in wealthier middle class areas. However in working class areas they don’t just want liberal intellectuals but those with a common touch who can deliver clear and charismatic sermons which they can relate to

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    • Well it could be a case of ‘horses for courses’ which I guess was the thinking behind the unhappy Iwerne experiment. But I reckon the best of the ‘middle class’ clergy (those who are bright and imaginative) ought to be well capable of relating to people regardless of their life circumstances: their passion for people in all walks of life should be cutting right through English class trivia, releasing the Holy Spirit and witnessing amazing transformations as a result.

      After all, that kind of passionate concern for the lost is the very essence of being Christ-like; surely it’s something that perspective ordinands need to have sorted out in their minds long before they’re accepted for training. On the other hand if the call of a nice vicarage with a nice study in a nice leafy suburb with nice people and potential for upward advancement in the institution remains a significant motivation, it’s time to read the New Testament – again and again until the penny drops!

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      • In theory, in reality your final sentence is more appealing to most of them. While the rise of Reform in white working class communities is just going to increase the cultural divide of middle class liberal clergy from working class parishes, at least when they voted Labour they could tell themselves the heart of those communities was in the right place. Now having fallen for Farage their liberal heart can’t even tell them that, so they will stick to a nice parish in a middle class suburb or Oxford or Cambridge or another university town or if they want to tell themselves they are still doing Jesus work a parish with plenty of still Labour voting ethnic minorities in London or Manchester with maybe a nice chocolate box rural parish near retirement (preferably in somewhere like Surrey or Hampshire. the Cotswolds or the Lake District where Reform still aren’t very strong)

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        • It was the nonconformists who first moved into the burgeoning new towns of the Industrial Revolution, and the Church of England lagged behind. It seems to me that the same is happening now with poverty-stricken post-industrial towns. Mez McConnell founded the ’20Schemes’ family of churches in the most deprived 20 housing schemes in Scotland, which is doing fine work for the Kingdom. I love his “if you aren’t serious about Jesus, don’t bother with us” approach, and he has also warned that, of all the volunteer Christian helpers he got, it was the middle-class ones wanting to ‘do good’ who found it toughest.

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          • There is also the story of John Funnel, who left the financial sector in London and became a pastor in a deprived ex-mining area in South Wales. He and his wife now live in a house with no locks on the doors because, as he says, the locals know they have nothing worth stealing – just like Jesus. The church that John Funnel leads is full of young men and growing. The secret is obviously that they can tell he loves them. See him speak about it by tacking /watch?v=pLx9iIiLeBs onto YouTube’s web address.

          • I agree charismatic evangelicals tend to have to best success in recruiting in poorer working class areas, followed by the Roman Catholic church. Traditional Anglicans tend to be more middle class

          • The Methodists (especially the Primitives) were very effective in poor communities e.g. mining areas. But by the later C19 the Wesleyans were starting to become respectable and suburban, attracting the lower middle classes more than the poor. Great book by SC Williams about late C19 South London which shows the urban poor attended the high church C of E parishes run by upper middle class priests, because the local Methodist and Baptist churches were too respectable for them. The background of the clergy mattered less than their willingness to commit themselves to the people for the long term and be with them. Spurgeon’s congregation at the MT came from the suburbs more than the local area so commuter church is nothing new.

          • The Methodists yes are quite middle class now too. Pentecostals do well in deprived areas and maybe some of the Roman Catholic success in those areas was also reflected by high church Anglicans in the 19th century

        • We can of course look at the issue of ministering to deprived areas through the political lens, but that takes us down a pretty deep rabbit hole. Today’s Western politics involves the steady rolling out of new totalitarian ways of organising society based on unimaginably powerful digital technology. And in this world our politicians, whether they realise it or not, are simply the guardians in a global ‘Master, Guardian, Slave’ arrangement (the ‘Slaves’ are of course the ordinary people!). The true ‘Masters’ are unseen but wielding influence far above national politicians who are mostly unwitting purveyors of diversionary narratives to ordinary voters (whipping up war fever is one time honoured tactic!).

          But whether or not people accept this discomforting picture is irrelevant. The Christian’s perspective must always be looking to God who reigns supreme, as he always has done, over the world he created, including every possible expression of evil which has occurred through history. The gospel of Christ cuts through all the evil, the diversions and deceptions, and speaks straight to the hearts of people irrespective of their circumstances. Thereafter, it is for each individual to respond as he or she chooses. There is evidence that the poor and marginalised may respond somewhat more readily than others; yet, as we’ve mentioned, the C of E seems to find it all a bit problematic or even distasteful. But there are circumstances where you have to stop over thinking things and just get on with the job; I should have thought that such a response exactly describes the call to ordination.

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  7. Often ‘Churches in Deprived Areas’ were, and still are, found in large parishes. I don’t know if it is still in use, but for many years the CofE Sheffield Formula determined the allocation of clergy to parishes. Large parishes were to get 1 per 6,000 population, small (up to 2000) 1 per 2000.
    In practice many parishes with about 1000 (some even less) still got their 1, while those with 20000 or even 30000 might still only get 1. I knew more than a few 30000 strong parishes (often well up the UPA scale) but I never heard of one with 5 clergy! Does this say something about priorities & resourcing?
    This whole topic is not new – I could quote quite a few earlier studies, but it might be worth mentioning somewhat lesser known studies:
    Gibbs E, Urban Church Growth. Clues from Latin America and from Britain, Grove Booklet on Ministry and Worship No. 5
    Haw G, Christianity and the Working Classes, London, 1906
    Hollenweger W J, “Theology of the New World, III. The Religion of the Poor is not a Poor Religion, The Example of Latin American Pentecostal and African Independent Spirituality”, Expository Times
    Moore R, Pit Men Preachers and Politics, Cambridge University Press, 1974
    Verney S, People and Cities, Collins/Fontana, 1969
    Wasdell D, The Church of the Inner City – A Paper Prepared for the BMU Home Committee, 1981
    Wickham E R, Church and People in an Industrial City, Lutterworth Press, 1957

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  8. It was a great privilege to work with Jonathan on the CEEC paper and his book. One of the points we tried to get across is that deprivation not only occurs in a variety of contexts but also across the country. I have been working for over 20 years in inner-city Plymouth and it was good to add my experiences of deprivation there. Yet I have still been asked, “Is there any deprivation in Devon?” Yes, there is – rural, coastal and urban just as in any other part of the country. But as I hope also comes out, there are great blessings from gospel work in such areas. We would just love more evangelicals to respond to the opportunities and the challenges of this particular ministry. The harvest field is ripe but the labourers are few

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