The Paradox of Jesus’ glory in John 12 video discussion

The lectionary gospel reading for the fifth Sunday in Lent in Year B is John 12.20–33, which follows the passage we read next week!

It is in three parts: the approach of the Greek who ‘want to see Jesus’; three sayings of Jesus, two of which are also found in the Synoptics; and the voice from heaven which talks of glory. The passage is full of ideas which build on one another, and pick up themes that we explored in John 1 some weeks ago and John 3 last week.

Come and join James and Ian as they discuss all these issues, their implications, and how we might read and preach on this passage.


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6 thoughts on “The Paradox of Jesus’ glory in John 12 video discussion”

  1. I’ve never thought to look but there must be a lot written about liminality in scripture. As soon as you mentioned it I started drifting off into a world of my own… I must listen to the video discussion again. Liminal is more than transitional isn’t it? This passage is such. One can almost feel the scene changes rumbling in the background. Rev 11:19 would make a great backdrop to this passage.
    Thunder, lightning. Jesus exits stage right.

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  2. This Chapter 12 of John I find quite remarkable as it begins with an act of great devotion as well as in contrast to Judas who perhaps disillusioned and perhaps was devoted to a social gospel which might induce people to become followers of Jesus. By this time, he may have even been in contact with the Jewish leaders concerning Jesus[?]
    The concept of devotion and the devout is a great word study and raises the Question “Who or what are you devoted to?” SEE to begin with biblehub.com/library/orr/how_to_live_a_holy_life/devotion_to_god.htm
    Of course, there is a great amount of teaching following this opening but in conclusion we have the devotion of Jesus to His Father and His will and purpose.
    So troubled was Jesus that at one point He is at a stand; “what can I say?
    [other than “Father glorify your own name”]
    At times we may come to a stand not knowing what to say or pray, the submission of ourselves to whatever the pathway is to remember and pray this prayer “Father glorify your own name”
    For his devotees the path is clear; we must be crucified with Christ, share in the fellowship of His suffering; die to self,
    be crucified with Christ. Then we will know the power of His and our resurrection.To be where He is “seated in heavenly places”.
    This is the crisis point which is very difficult for us to countenance; to allow God to do with us His own Will and Purpose.
    To abandon our self for His glory, speaks volumes about our devotion and being devout people “walking as He walked”. Being devoted to service or ministry does not compare. Matt. 7 v 21 -23.

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  3. Thank you for a very helpful discussion. Clearly you are another Andrew/Philip example – creating more in dialogue than you would on your own. The question is, which of you is the horse lover?

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